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OR-Dems' Senate primary and out-of-state funds

by: Senate 2008 Guru

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 17:45:28 PM PST


Earlier today, Senate candidate Steve Novick sent out an alert e-mail in response to an article in the Bend Bulletin noting that the DSCC had spent $93,000 on behalf of Oregon Speaker Jeff Merkley's Senate campaign. The Novick campaign's e-mail suggested:

If we want to take our politics back from the Washington establishment, it is up to us to stand with Steve and make sure Oregonians are the ones who pick our nominee.

If Mr. Novick is true to his principle (and isn't just trying to take a quick shot at Speaker Merkley for enjoying some establishment support) that Oregonians, and only Oregonians, should be the ones to pick the nominee, and out-of-state fundraising is contradictory to that principle, will Mr. Novick agree to return every financial contribution to his campaign that comes from outside of Oregon? Surely, he wouldn't want the financial contribution of a Washingtonian or Californian impacting the electoral decision of Oregonians. Will Mr. Novick further eschew financial support from the DSCC should he win the Democratic nomination (and willingly put himself at a major financial disadvantage against Gordon Smith, who will no doubt enjoy some support from the NRSC)?

If Mr. Novick isn't willing to return every out-of-state financial contribution, then this alert rings hollow. If Oregonians alone should pick the nominee, and Mr. Novick extends that sentiment to financial support, he ought to return every contribution that has come in from outside of Oregon, lest his charge seems hypocritical, like the argument of a candidate who shuns "establishment" support not for any principled reason against it but rather for no better reason than he simply lacks "establishment" support.

My point with this post is not to pick on Mr. Novick by any means, though I found his "alert" flimsy. Both Mr. Novick and Speaker Merkley are progressive candidates who would be vast improvements upon Gordon Smith. Both Novick and Merkley want to bring the troops home from Iraq, want to expand health care, want to increase opportunities for workingclass Oregonians, and so on. Both also understand grassroots politics. Either would be a terrific Senator. So let's have a positive primary campaign that focuses on the policy differences between Merkley and Novick and discusses both men's experiences and demonstrates why it would be a mistake to re-elect Gordon Smith. And let's leave these fairly silly stunts out of it.

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Thanks for posting! (0.00 / 0)
Always great to have you come by and offer analysis. Still, I think you are confusing the principle. You're conflating "out of state fundraising" with what the DSCC does, which I think is a little ridiculous. What's being suggested is that when one of Novick's friends from DOJ days sends $500 or let's even say the full $2,300 primary boat, that has the same proportionate impact as the DSCC sending consultant and advance staffing, pimping the candidate in national fundraising mailers, and dropping 100 large on a kickoff RV and other assorted goodies. Nobody would sensibly agree those represent similar "influence." And there's another major difference. DOJ friend Bob living in Pittsburgh speaks for Bob with his money. DSCC speaks for the members of the US Senate, and purports to support Democrats for Senate, even if they have to hold one at bay to get the one they want. It's like saying I have the same authority at Target as the executive board because I shop there a lot. You can't compare the megaphone, or the authority lent by who the DSCC represents. You also set your critique on the platform that Novick or his campaign ever said only Oregonians can contribute; you wouldn't hear a peep from them if 50 people from around the country had given Merkley that $93K, or even if it had been just 20 dropping $4600 at once. "Ensuring that Oregonians get to decide" is translated by you as "Oregonians only should contribute", which I think is a mistake. As I noted above, I think you're not properly assessing what does and what does not influence an election, ie a few individuals no, the DDSCC--a little bit. So I don't think there's any necessary statement on refusing all outside money. The issue is the unusual and undue influence being exerted--the money, heck...I think Novick will survive without an RV and bunting for a while.

If the money that out of staters give to Novick is insignificant he should just return it (0.00 / 0)
Why shouldn't only Oregonians decided in the general election too? Why should Novick take DSCC money then? There is no way that Novick can win a general without DSCC money.

Check out my Oregon politics blog at Forward Oregon

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you're hopeless (0.00 / 0)
Have you ever heard of the NRSC? You're being intentionally obtuse, I have to believe. No one ever said the money from out of state is insignificant. That's your bizarre choice of words. Put together, the money means something. But dispersed individually across many individuals means there's no particular influence on the race from anyone's individual perspective. Keep thinking it's about the money and you'll continue to misunderstand the point.

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If its significant according to Novick its buying the election (0.00 / 0)
therefore he should return it. The only way your second argument works is if the money is insignificant. I have heard of the NRSC. The point is Novick's hypocrisy, which is independent of the NRSC. Novick says that Oregonians should decide the primary, he is just unwilling to follow his own declarations.

Check out my Oregon politics blog at Forward Oregon

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:::rolls eyes::: (0.00 / 0)
Steve Novick unambiguously said, "...make sure Oregonians are the ones who pick our nominee." What I find more interesting about Novick's meme is that he'd surely accept every dime the DSCC would give him if he were to survive into the general election. Why is the DSCC's money and influence only bad during the primary? The self-evident answer is that Steve Novick isn't benefitting from it now but he would in a general election scenario. Which obviously means that his entire meme is demagoguery. He doesn't have a problem with the DSCC's money or influence... as long as HE is the beneficiary. Which begs the question: If Novick thinks Oregonian's are so stupid that he can safely deceive us on this issue then why should we believe that he'd not try to deceive us on other issues?

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duh (0.00 / 0)
"Why is the DSCC's money and influence only bad during the primary?" You're pretending you don't know the obvious answer--supporting a Democrat in the general doesn't mean you're fucking another Democrat over, whereas in the primary you are picking between Democrats. The DSCC's goal is to help Democrats, but they aren't helping Democrats by choosing one in a primary; they are helping some and hurting others. Once the general hits, there is only one Democrat to support, and no conflict. Even the DSCC knows this, otherwise they wouldn't pretend they haven't endorsed a candidate in the primary; they'd just come out and say "Yes, we want Merkley to win." I'm sure the DNC has their preference as well--but they are ethical enough not to involve themselves at all.

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DSCC does not equal DNC (0.00 / 0)
The DNC, of course, is the Democratic Party - governed democratically by the grassroots through their duly-elected precinct committee people, up through state delegates, then the national committee-men and -women. They have an obligation to remain neutral. The DSCC is just another political committee. Like, say, the Sierra Club or the NRA or the Amalgamated Widget Turners PAC. They have no obligation to remain neutral, or donate equally to all candidates, or any such thing. (Full disclosure: My company built Jeff Merkley's website, but I speak here only for myself.)

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not even close (0.00 / 0)
you try this all the time, and it's silly every time: "The DSCC is just another political committee. Like, say, the Sierra Club or the NRA or the Amalgamated Widget Turners PAC. " The DSCC is the very club the candidates are wishing to join. It is not a lobbying group or special interest group, it is the people being lobbied and showered by special interests. It is understood they have no legal obligation to remain neutral. Ethical, competitive and political obligations may be different matters.

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Great Post (0.00 / 0)
If Mr. Novick is true to his principle (and isn't just trying to take a quick shot at Speaker Merkley for enjoying some establishment support) that Oregonians, and only Oregonians, should be the ones to pick the nominee, and out-of-state fundraising is contradictory to that principle, will Mr. Novick agree to return every financial contribution to his campaign that comes from outside of Oregon? Surely, he wouldn't want the financial contribution of a Washingtonian or Californian impacting the electoral decision of Oregonians. Will Mr. Novick further eschew financial support from the DSCC should he win the Democratic nomination (and willingly put himself at a major financial disadvantage against Gordon Smith, who will no doubt enjoy some support from the NRSC)?
Novick and his supporters criticizing Merkley for getting help from the DSCC is hypocritical. If their desire is to defeat Gordon Smith and if Novick wins the nomination, he will need the DSCC to bail him out with huge amounts of cash, to shore up his so far awful fundraising efforts. Continuing these hits will just further Gordon Smith's lines of attack against Novick for accepting support Novick has declared immoral. No matter which election or which office your running for, hypocrisy is always a huge issue with voters.

Check out my Oregon politics blog at Forward Oregon

"immoral?" (0.00 / 0)

You know, Bradley, I looked over Novick's statement and didn't find one use of the word "immoral."

I've expressed my concern before, and I'll do it again, about DSCC involvement in a Primary Election. It creates the appearance of dependence/being beholden and it certainly doesn't help prepare a candidate for a tough General Election.

It also rankles since I'm not too thrilled with the performance of the national Dems performance during this last session. Schumer (DSCC Schumer) is one who was responsible for the Mukasey disaster.

I think it's important to remember that the main point that Steve is making is that the Party Mechanism is what the issue is, not necessarily "out-of-state" individuals.

Also from today's Bend Bulletin article: (sorry, subscription required)

It's uncommon for a national party to become involved in Senate races this early in the election process, said Richard Clucas, a professor of political science at Portland State University.

"Normally the parties at least don't become visibly involved until after the primary," Clucas said. "I think the biggest potential for a backlash would be if Novick were to win the primary ... then he might be rather irritated at the party."

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee spent about $73,000 for an advance team from Arkansas, The Markham Group, to promote Merkley's campaign kickoff tour. It paid about $20,000 to a Washington, D.C., firm for "research."

The DSCC is trying to influence this Primary, and to a greater degree than any other Primary.

The committee, a branch of the national Democratic Party, gave Merkley more than three times as much as it gave New Mexico Rep. Mark Udall, the party's next-biggest beneficiary in Senate races.

I think that Steve's complaint is quite valid.



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Sorry not immoral, Novick would just be "selling the election" (0.00 / 0)
I think elections are sacred and buying and selling elections is immoral. Novick says:
I need your help to tell the D.C. establishment that Oregon's primary election isn't for sale.... Your contribution of $100 right now will help make that happen and send a message back to Washington: Oregon's elections are not for sale!
So Novick thinks its ok if the general is for sale? Finally your quote form the bend piece differs greatly form Novicks who says it was Colorado Rep. Mark Udall who got the second most amount of funding. You might want to get your facts straight.

Check out my Oregon politics blog at Forward Oregon

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The DSCC is not the Party. (0.00 / 0)
As I mentioned above... The DSCC is an independent organization with its own money. It's perfectly legitimate to be concerned about what the DSCC's money might mean in terms of "the appearance of dependence/being beholden" or "the performance of the national Dems"... that's just fine. But don't confuse the DSCC's independently governed and independently funded operation with the Democratic Party.

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there is no harming a Democrat (0.00 / 0)
in the general, for God's sake. How about you THINK a minute? The primary is the only situation where there is any choice as to who the DSCC supports. It's kinda funny you suggest that Novick needs the help for poor fundraising--when he's running even with Merkley and Merkley is the one who's gotten 100K added to his pocket.

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I think for longer than a minute, maybe you should try that (0.00 / 0)
The DSCC absolutely has a choice of who to support in the general election. There is a huge map, there are 35 Senate races, and the DSCC can choose who to support. As for the fundraising, Merkley did in 6 weeks what Novick did in 6 months, or did you forget that because you were only thinking for a minute?

Check out my Oregon politics blog at Forward Oregon

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not in Oregon (0.00 / 0)
they can't choose which Democrat to support in the Oregon race, which is all that matters. And if you think they won't support the guy who showed he's every bit ready to take down Smith in a race that has been top 10 since the beginning, you're as young as you sound. Novick is not the one who's going to look like a golden boy who can't raise if he doesn't earn at least 500-750K this quarter.

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Non responsive again, old man (0.00 / 0)

Either DC insiders should get to "buy the election" or not. Primary or general it doesn't matter. It is hypocritical say that the DSCC is trying to buy the election and then if he wins go Oliver Twist style begging them for money to help Novick "buy the election" the day after. If you don't get that your as old and senile as you sound. PS why is the html all messed up now?



Check out my Oregon politics blog at Forward Oregon

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already responded (0.00 / 0)
you even acknowledged you knew what the NRSC was, but you seem to have forgotten again... "Either DC insiders should get to "buy the election" or not. Primary or general it doesn't matter." Once there is another generally equal player, it goes from buying to auctioning. I promise you, the Democrats will not be able to buy the 2008 election in Oregon from DC, not even with their big money edge. So there is quite a difference, yes.

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Again not responsive (0.00 / 0)
Just because other people are doing it (NRSC) doesn't mean that Novicks hypocrisy changes. If the problem is that the election is for sale, why does it matter if it is an auction, which btw is a type of sale?

Check out my Oregon politics blog at Forward Oregon

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no longer zero sum in an auction (0.00 / 0)
a dollar spent on a candidate in the primary by DSCC is a dollar not spent on the other candidates in the primary, and beyond that influences OTHER dollars not to be spent on them. A dollar spent in the general by DSCC has little impact on how many dollars the NRSC spends, and certainly offers no direct correlation. It's an open competition. The primary is a fixed fight.

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Fixed?! (0.00 / 0)
A fight is only fixed if the referee is in on it. The DSCC isn't the ref, and has no duty to be neutral -- any more than any other PAC does. Steve Novick begged for a meeting with Chuck Schumer to try and land their support himself. He didn't get it. He also didn't get the AFSCME endorsement. He did, however, get a bunch of trial lawyers to support his campaign. How does any of that "fix" the fight in either direction? Campaigns are about trying to get as many supporters as you can. Landing one, even a big one, isn't unethical or unfair or "fixing the fight".

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come again? (0.00 / 0)
"A fight is only fixed if the referee is in on it." Since when? One side can take a dive or the other side can cheat, without the referee being involved. You do a commendable job of trying to blur and confuse a couple of lawyers with the Senate Campaign Committee, made up of the most exclusive political club in the world. You know as well as I do that the DSCC are not "supporters," they are enablers and inhibitors--they enable money for their guy, and inhibit it for others. You also should be careful about what you presume has happened or is happening at the DC level with Novick. You could be tripped up if you keep your head in July's game and buy the summer's buzz on Merkley inside the Beltway. I'm not so sure they're feeling him as much lately.

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hey, you DO know how to spell "hypocrisy" (0.00 / 0)
Or maybe this was just a lucky fluke? Hard to say because when I saw your blog a few hours ago you had it as "Hypocracy."

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minor correction... (0.00 / 0)
The $93k doesn't get "added to his pocket". It's a coordinated expenditure that appears on the DSCC's FEC report. It's not a contribution to the Merkley campaign. It won't appear there as a cash donation.

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all true (0.00 / 0)
having your kickoff van paid for and research and advance done for you is stuff you don't have to otherwise pay for, and thus money in pocket. Thank you for the clarification that he does not literally now have cash to spend; he had stuff done that cost a lot of money, that they paid for.

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"hypocracy" or "dishonasty"? (0.00 / 0)
So Merkley get's a hundred grand from Schumer and doesn't need to report it as a contribution? More DC accounting... Seems to me there was a time when the Merkley.bots of the Mandate machine were scoffing at the idea that Schumer recruited Rep. Merkley, much less was actively supporting him. The talking points sure have shifted.

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